Tobin: "Minimal" PEEP and pressure support during SBT kills some patients (AJRCCM) - PulmCCM
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Dec 312012
 

This entry was originally posted March 10, 2012. Dr. Tobin made further comments to the AJRCCM in July 2012, which are excerpted below.

Martin Tobin at Loyola University is worried about our standard practice in extubating patients. And since he wrote the book on mechanical ventilation and helped invent the Yang-Tobin index, if he’s worried, you should be, too.

After seeing a few patients who passed their spontaneous breathing trials (SBTs), but then rapidly entered respiratory failure soon after extubation and had difficult reintubations resulting in cardiopulmonary arrest and hypoxic brain injury, Tobin was troubled enough to write a commentary for the February 15 AJRCCM to share his concerns.

The problem, Tobin says, is our concept of  ”minimal ventilator settings.” In his view, there’s no such thing. He calls the idea of physiologic positive end-expiratory pressure (PEEP) ”a myth,” and argues that adding either 5 cm H2O as “physiologic” PEEP, or pressure support of  7 cm H2O to overcome the resistance in an endotracheal tube (or both, as is usually done) may actually reduce the “spontaneously” breathing patient’s workload by >40%. Success on these settings does predict extubation success in most patients, true; but a small minority will rapidly decompensate after extubation, with potentially catastrophic outcomes. Identifying and protecting these vulnerable patients should be our key task, Tobin argues:

But here’s the rub. The challenge of clinical medicine is not about taking care of the great majority of patients who do well irrespective of the methods employed by their physicians. Instead, the goal is to take feasible steps that have a high likelihood of circumventing a catastrophe in a small number of instances.

Why do patients in this subset decompensate so rapidly after extubation, after “passing” their SBT? Upper airway resistance (supraglottic edema), respiratory weakness masked by pressure support, and increased cardiac load induced by removal of CPAP, are the likely culprits, he believes.

Tobin argues for true T-piece spontaneous breathing trials on more patients being planned for extubation (and presumably for most or all of those considered to be at higher risk for extubation failure). In his opinion, this method will identify more patients unable to tolerate extubation, compared to SBTs on “minimal vent settings.” (He does acknowledge there’s a lack of evidence to prove this.)

Of course, T-piece trials are inconvenient, in that the ventilator circuit and sensors are not standing by to save the failing patient, who therefore requires near-continuous monitoring by a human being. (Tobin allows that an SBT with the vent set on “flow-by,” with pressure support and PEEP set at zero, is an acceptable though second-rate alternative.)  For those who would gripe about this, Tobin sends a zinger, one that can be applied well beyond this clinical scenario:

Taking simple steps to prevent infrequent occurrences that lead to a clinical catastrophe should dictate the practice of medicine, rather than employing approaches that are convenient to physicians and successful in most patients.

I have to trust Dr. Tobin’s gut and experience on this issue, but the validity of this last bit of professional (and borderline moral) criticism depends on there being some evidence that T-piece trials better predict extubation success than SBTs on “minimal vent settings.” He doesn’t reference any, and to my knowledge there is none. Would those unfortunate patients he helped care for have passed T-piece trials as well, and been extubated with the same sad outcomes?

With more and more COPD patients with ventilator-days in their future, it seems like an important randomized study for someone to do. To better identify an effect, enrollment could be restricted only to patients with severe heart or lung disease considered at high-risk for extubation failure, as were described in this paper. 

Dr. Tobin responded to the subsequent letters to the AJRCCM editor with what I found to be a trenchant and persuasive reply. He points out that the supposed absence of reported catastrophes in randomized trials on weaning does not mean they didn’t occur, but that the studies were underpowered to detect and quantitate them accurately. I recommend reading his complete text, but I’ll excerpt as much as I can:

That cardiopulmonary catastrophes are rare in weaning studies provides no solace to family members of a patient who breathed comfortably on a low level of pressure support or PEEP immediately before extubation but who was not able to cope with a 30–60% increase in respiratory load immediately after extubation, which led to a cardiac arrest and hypoxic brain injury. In the case of a patient who might experience cardiorespiratory difficulties after extubation, it is incumbent on physicians to ensure that the patient is able to breathe comfortably for about 30 minutes in the complete absence of pressure support or PEEP before removal of the endotracheal tube.

Tobin MJ. Extubation and the Myth of “Minimal Ventilator Settings”. Am J Respir Crit Care Med 2012; 185:349-350.

Dr. Tobin’s reply to letters-to-the-editor, AJRCCM July 15 2012.

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  6 Responses to “Tobin: “Minimal” PEEP and pressure support during SBT kills some patients (AJRCCM)”

  1. In fact, with CPAP still we have the alarm for apnea back-up and with change of more than 20% of hemodynamic variables (BP,HR) or decrease of SPO235 we switch to back-up. The patient may gradually wean by decreasing PEEP and PS. The disadvantage of this is CO2 rise, especially in COPD that would be decrease with extubation. The benefit of T-piece is its more insurance when used after successful CPAP trial.

  2. I have no idea how sbt with minimal vent setting verses t piece will be different to identify who has upper airway odema, there is no gold standard testing even with leak test there is no guarantee the patient will not develope significant odema or upper air resistance after estivation. I don’t know the details of this patient who had this sad out come but did this happened immediacy after or it happened after few hours, I have been doing sbt and one tpeice usually but not always and will occasionally have patients who needs reintubation for upper air disorder some of requiring trach, I will be grateful if some body can tell with gold standard ref. Thanks

  3. can i set pressure support below peep? for example : peep 7 and psupport 5. does pressure support work if the peep is higher than pressure support? tnx!

    • Hi Eddie. Yes, pressure support and PEEP are set independently and either may be higher than the other. For more complete information on questions like this I recommend checking out ccmtutorials.com.
      Thanks,
      Matt

  4. 2 patient populations always justify a T-Piece trial.

    1. The cardiac patient with a HX of CHF & dilated left ventricle. These patients respond very well to PEEP/CPAP which increase their preload. So if intropic medicine is not sufficient extubation will result in flash pulmonary edema.

    2. COPD patient with air-trapping. Pressure support may lead to additional PEEPi which leads to “ineffective efforts”. These missed trigger attempts are still diaphragmatic work, however they are not measured by the ventilator. This providing a false positive (lower measured frequency).

    I would suggest a “ZEEP” trial (simulated T-Piece with the vent) see link:
    http://kscottrichey.blogspot.com/2011/06/performing-t-piece-trial-with.html

  5. I question the validity of basing so much of the discussion on several anecdotal patient reports who have post extubation arrests and pinning all this on SBT’s. I totally believe that Dr. Tobin has merit with his concerns and valid questions but we should subject these to experiment and review. We have all learned the importance of using evidence based research for courses of action not our “GUT” feelings. Weaning and pre-extubation evaluation are no doubt problematic and filled with judgment. I might ask why these patient had such catastrophic outcomes from a failed extubation? Who was monitoring them and why was there such a problem to manage the respiratory arrests? I would like to review the answers to those questions too.

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